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Troy Industries AK 47 Full Length Rail Review

Rob Ski

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Troy Industries with their AK47 rail system brings wave of fresh air into the AK world. Their rail design clearly separates Troy from the crowded “AK Rails” market. However, more conservative AK users will probably find this design way too extreme. Personally I like it a lot, because their rail offers fantastic ergonomics and it really helps to better control rifle. At this point Troy makes 2 different lower parts (short and long) and has 1 extra railed gas tube part as well. All these are independent from each other and you don’t need top part to use lower part and vice versa. Now, when lower part is rock solid, we did encounter some problems with railed gas tube replacement. Mounting for it is based on small size castle nut and we had a hard time to keep that nut from untwisting. I’m looking now for dedicated wrench for it (it is different size than traditional castle nuts) and we will go back to this issue again in future episodes. Overall, Troy made a darn solid product and i’m very pleased with it. Please note that this rail will not mount on AKs with 24mm front end!
Weight specifications:
Top Rail (railed gas tube): 5.68oz (161 grams)
Lower Rail Full Length: 10.98oz (311.27 grams)
Short Rail: 8.80oz (249.47 grams)

Here is Troy Industries AK 47 Full Length Rail Review:

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92 responses to “Troy Industries AK 47 Full Length Rail Review”

  1. Brandon Osborne Avatar
    Brandon Osborne

    Hey guys. I’m new to the ak world and I’m looking to get a C 39 classic. Can you tell me it the troy lower rail will fit? Thanks Brandon

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Hi Brandon, sorry but Troy rail will not fit into C39…

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      1. Dee Avatar
        Dee

        Can a regular gastube with wood upper handguard be used with this lower troy handguard?

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        1. Rob Ski Avatar
          Rob Ski

          Yes

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    2. Eric Avatar
      Eric

      I know this is an old thread/post, but if anyone was interested in running this extended on their AK with 24mm front sight base…IT FITS NOW…20min install. Video was helpful, it’s tricky to adjust at first, but patience and it’s done.

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      1. Rob Ski Avatar
        Rob Ski

        Very cool, good to know!

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        1. harold vanduyne Avatar
          harold vanduyne

          Hi Rob.
          I’m new to the Ak platform, I just purchased a c39v2 and I want to put the long Troy rail on.
          Can you elaborate on Just how much dremel work will have to be done and what parts will
          it have to be done to. I was looking at magpul but I don’t want to cut the lower guard retaining ring
          And the Troy looks so much better. Thank you.

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          1. Rob Ski Avatar
            Rob Ski

            Harold, i honestly don’t know because i can’t check it because i don’t own C39V2 anymore…

  2. Asamurai Avatar
    Asamurai

    Why does the Troy rail not fit? Is it just a matter of reducing the size of the tab that goes into the front of the receiver, to fit the smaller opening below the barrel for the front hand guard to mount? Or is there some other reason that it does not fit?
    I am very interested if this hand guard could be modified to work with the C39s because it is so light.

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      You would have to do some modifications with Dremel tool to make it fit. Would be possible? Yes, but God knows how this would hold up during extended use…

      Reply
  3. Mark Avatar
    Mark

    Does the lower extended handguard work with the Ultimak gas tube?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Yes, it does.

      Reply
  4. Marc Avatar
    Marc

    Posted on your Facebook site also. The gas tube rail has been upgraded to a 7/8 in nut instead of the castle nut. Going to order the complete package, short bottom with 3 rails next week. Looking forward to some shooting. Kind of has a PTR 91 look at quick glance.

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Yes, they did listen to us. Still, don’t forget to use blue loctite on it. On these 2 side screws as well.

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      1. Thomas Avatar
        Thomas

        Hello can I put this on sam7 sf

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        1. Rob Ski Avatar
          Rob Ski

          No, it will not work.

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  5. Matt krupke Avatar
    Matt krupke

    We were able to mount one of the short Troy handguards on a C39 Sport Tactical with only minor modification. There is a picture on our facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/lrkmechanical

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Very cool. Is it holding up nicely?

      Reply
  6. bryan h Avatar
    bryan h

    Will this fit a 1987 wasr10

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Yes, it should.

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    2. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Yes, it should fit WASR.

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  7. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Will the the top gas tube fit the Yugo NPAP M70 ak? If it does which is better ultimak or troy?

    Reply
    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Ultimak version for Yugo is better. More stable mounting system.

      Reply
  8. Tommy Cucuzella Avatar
    Tommy Cucuzella

    do you guy plan on doing a torture test of the lower rail? like the dragging it up a river and behind a truck?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Tommy, no, at that time we didn’t have our “truck dragging” fun in place yet, so that rail get off easy…we have too much new stuff coming out now, so there is no time to get back to it…

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      1. Tommy Avatar
        Tommy

        Just based on handling it though, do you believe it would have held up?

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        1. Rob Ski Avatar
          Rob Ski

          75% probability that yes, it would survive. My only beef is with their locking bolts – you need to use loctite or they will get loose from recoil…now with dragging behind the car and tree dropping, that’s a lot of “shock and awe” for that rail mounting system…

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          1. Tommy Avatar
            Tommy

            Okay. thank you for the quick responce!!

  9. nic Avatar
    nic

    which Troy rail sections did you use? M-lock or the normal Troy ones?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Regular Troy sections.

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  10. Carlos Velazquez Avatar
    Carlos Velazquez

    I am wondering if the lower rail would work or fit on a Norinco Mak 90. Has anyone you know tried it yet?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      I didn’t try…i honestly have no clue…

      Reply
  11. Chris Carson Avatar
    Chris Carson

    Will the the short and long rail work on a Yugo n-pap M70?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Hi Chris, sorry, these will not work…

      Reply
  12. Vyrro Avatar
    Vyrro

    Hdy guys, i just wanted to add something here. The LONG troy bottom rail will only fit a c39v2 with modification. You absolutely must cut off the gas block mounted sling loop and grind it down so no nubs are showing on the top and bottom. Also, and this is important, you absolutely must remove material from the the bottom rear of the picatinny railed top section of the troy long AK rail. This is a must in order to give the rail clearance from the gas block. You could remove material from the gas block but i do not advise this at all. You could screw it up massively, and grinding the aluminum of the troy rail is much easier than grinding the steel of the gas block. I have done this and it only took a few hours. Only remove a little material at a time and check the fit often. I have pictures if you want to see so you may email me if you care to see them. The end result turned out very nicely, and you cannot see ANY grinding marks because they are all done on the inside of the rail.

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    1. Jeff Armstrong Avatar
      Jeff Armstrong

      I would like to see pictures.

      Email at captureform@gmail.com

      Reply
  13. Vyrro Avatar
    Vyrro

    I forgot to add something. The c39v2 does not have a large enough opening in the front trunnion to fit either of the troys rails, unless to remove the two rear screws on the very back of the troy AK rails. This does not matter much because this block is still tightly secured by two more screws on the sides of the rails. I believe Rob ski covered something similar to this when he did the “under the hood video” of the c39v2 and he clearly stated that standard handguards will not fit without dremel/removal modifications to the rear of the handguards. The opening on the c39v2 is the proper depth but it does not have the proper height and width specs. This is not a big deal in my humble opinion because the troy rail still fits and is very secure with blue loctite. I must also strongly reinforce Rob Ski’s statement to place whatever extra rail segments in place BEFORE you install the rail and preferably before you use the blue loctite just to make your life easier.
    I just got my c39v2 a couple weeks ago, and other than the modifications i have listed, the rifle has been a dream. All other furniture install very easily and is secure. 1k rounds through it so far and not a one malfunction other than a singular FTF due to an old chinese magazine with a kinked spring. Nothing to do with the rifle. Sorry for being long winded, i just wish to help my fellow AK shooters if they are in the same boat as me. Keep shootin straight and above all else, be safe!

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    1. Newbie Avatar
      Newbie

      Vyrro how are the mods holding up? Very interested as my v2 is getting pretty lonely without any pretty tactical clothes. Any pics?

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      1. Vyrro Avatar
        Vyrro

        guess i’m a year late, but the mods i did have held up wonderfully. My c39v2 has survived for a little over year and about 3,500+/- rounds of tula, wolf, remington, and silver/brown bear ammo. No issues whatsoever. I just put about 3 drips of blue loctite on both of the hex screws for the troy long bottom rail, and it has held solid through everything. I lent my AK to a buddy for a tactical carbine course that involved quite a bit of dropping and other more rugged use. Alas, the rail and every other mod has held up perfectly. Hope you’re doing alright. Sorry for delayed response if you read this.

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  14. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    Good day

    Absolutely depend on your reviews and advice . New to the ak47 world but definitely addicted.

    Quick question.. Would either rail fit a new generation I.o. Inc. Ak? The muzzle brake is 3 inches or so away from the front sight which seems diff. Thanks

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Short one should fit. But i’m not 100% positive…
      Also, you should be very careful with IO…they don’t have very good reputation to say at least.

      Reply
  15. Doc Mongo Avatar
    Doc Mongo

    First let me say that you channel and store are awesome. I appreciate the no bullshit approach you guys have in reviews.
    No on to my question. Do you know if the Troy rail would fit on a DDI stamped receiver or the RAS 47? Also are you all going to do anything else with the RAS 47? The accuracy looked promising, until it kinda shit the bed on your tests. Did the receiver maybe get a small bend in it during the drive over test?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Troy rail should fit both, DDI and RAS47. Small trimming maybe required, but nothing major.
      @RAS47 – we can’t do anything more, because Century didn’t like our review and they took those rifles back…so, no more RAS47 or C39V2…too bad, because i thought that accuracy is really their strong point.

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      1. Doc Mongo Avatar
        Doc Mongo

        Wow that’s unbelievable, not doubting you just shocked at the “take my ball and go home” mentality. I liked what I heard as far as accuracy on the RAS 47. But the test honestly scared me away from it some. I don’t plan on running it over anytime soon, but seeing that flex and the failures after have me questioning their receiver.

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  16. Vance Avatar
    Vance

    Hey rob! Thanks for great products! And thanks for the responses! Now here’s 2 q. I hear this will not fit on 74 style with the larger barrel ending? And also what is your most preferred ,extended rail system? I Know of Troy,krebs,Midwest just isn’t nice looking and same with tws. I love the zenit rail but I wish it extended all the way out …what are your top extended rails?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      The best extended rail is this:http://shop.akoperatorsunionlocal4774.com/Zenit-B30-Lower-Rail-Lon-Zenit-B30.htm

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  17. Corey Avatar
    Corey

    I work at a retail gun store and most of the century arms wasr we see have a lot of issues, I have read very bad reviews on DDI, I need new main ak and am having hard time choosing next one! What’s your over all pick right now? Please.

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  18. Kwilliamsjr Avatar
    Kwilliamsjr

    So, I’m looking at getting this real. But I’m finding to fit my saiga I need to remove the fsb and have a lower retaining handguard? What handguard would you recommend that I won’t have to do this much work that is gonna give me room for furniture ? Or should I remove the fsb and thread the barrel and bring this russian rifle back to its splendor?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      I would do the conversion. Don’t settle for less!

      Reply
  19. USMC.Haan Avatar
    USMC.Haan

    I’m finally getting my wasr 10/63 back from RD it’s been a long wait, but I am curious about on which optics to compliment the rifle. Suggestions?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Get that micro dot, works great: http://shop.akoperatorsunionlocal4774.com/NEW-Primary-Arms-Micro-Dot-MD-ADS-50K-Hour-Battery-Life-New-Micro-Dot.htm

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  20. Travis Avatar
    Travis

    Will the Troy full length rail fit on arsenal sam7sf? Help please!

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Sorry, but it will not fit.

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      1. Haider Avatar
        Haider

        Hello Rob, would you please say which area that the Handguard will not fit in Sam7sf the length or the receiver end will not accept the Handguard, please advise
        Thanks

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        1. Rob Ski Avatar
          Rob Ski

          I have no clue. Please check with Troy, they will know for sure.

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          1. Justin G Avatar
            Justin G

            I just called Troy and they assured me the current design will work on the Arsenal Sam7SF with the 24mm threads. I’m going to order the long rail and find out here for certain in the coming weeks. I will update regardless of outcome.
            Love you guys videos.
            -Justin of Georgia

  21. angel Avatar
    angel

    hi can the extended bottom lower rail fit the Century Arms RAS-47 or a Romanian SAR-1 AK-47

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      It should fit. Check with Troy to make sure, but it should fit.

      Reply
  22. john Avatar
    john

    Can you comfortably put an angled fore grip on with the Troy full length? I am worried about the gap thats at the front.

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Yes, i think there was enough room for it

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  23. Michael Avatar
    Michael

    Will Troy industries long rail fit Arsenal slr 107fr? And if not which rail would you recommend instead? Also do you prefer red dot mounted over dust cover or on railed gas block? Thank you

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    1. Michael Avatar
      Michael

      Gas tube* not gas block

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    2. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      No, it will not clear…

      Reply
  24. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    will the lower fit on an ati at-47 yugo with grenade sight? ive already cut my grenade sight to accommodate the troy top rail. it fit without cutting but did not leave enough room for the eotech 512 (the one with the long base) so it got dremeled.

    and sorry if you covered this, but will the cleaning rod fit in the extended lower? pics look like it does.
    and would the sling ring need to be cut off to accommodate the extended lower? id hate to do that but its getting in the way of almost any lower i look at. the pic makes it look like your sling ring pokes out in the gap on the lower.

    its tough to find parts for this rifle that are an ‘out of the box’ solution. id like something distinctive like this system. ive contacted tws and they are going to release a 2.5 yugo version of their system compatible with my gen 2 dog leg but even that will cover the grenade sight entirely. MI systems , i was lucky enough to find at a local store and found none of the lowers would fit properly, so even though they are cool, its not a fit. please give me good news on this one. the pics make it look promising.

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      It will not fit.

      Reply
  25. Mike H Avatar
    Mike H

    I have this rail (long lower & upper) on my Saiga AK-74 conversion. I love the ergonomics of it and prefer to keep it on the rifle. However, I am at a loss as to how to keep the damn thing on. I have tightened the two bolts holding the lower to the frame time and time again. I have even put red locktite on the bolt threads but sure enough…the rail will wiggle itself lose after some sustained fire (usually within 5 mags worth).

    Rob: I plan on brining this rifle to the training next week in Boulder City, NV. I will bring a back-up in case the same issue persists. Maybe you can share some thoughts on how to deal with this problem.

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Good idea. Let’s see what we could do with it.

      Reply
  26. Daniel S. Avatar
    Daniel S.

    Rob, I am trying to decide on which handguard to put on my new DDI. I have it narrowed down to the Troy Long rail or the Magpul Zhukov. Which do you prefer? You give favorable reviews for both. Thanks!

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Magpul Zhukov: better mounting system

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      1. Daniel S. Avatar
        Daniel S.

        Thank you for the help! Love your page and that you help other AK lovers! Hope to make a class in the near future!

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  27. Will Avatar
    Will

    What is the oal of the hand guard I have been searching for specs but can’t seem to find any

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      I think it was like 13 or 15″. I don’t have it anymore.

      Reply
  28. Vern Avatar
    Vern

    Will the long Troy rail work on O PAP?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      Negative.

      Reply
  29. Tim Hruby Avatar
    Tim Hruby

    Will the short Troy rail for my m85np

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  30. terry Avatar
    terry

    Troy short handguard fit c39v2 ?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      No idea. Check with Troy.

      Reply
  31. Brad townsend Avatar
    Brad townsend

    How about the ras47?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      I have no idea. Check with Troy to make sure…

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  32. Aaron Avatar
    Aaron

    Would the short version fit my fime vepr?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      It should.

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      1. Aaron Avatar
        Aaron

        Thanks rob! Keep making your great videos!

        Reply
  33. Jack ack ack Avatar
    Jack ack ack

    I finally converted the saiga .308 with pistol grip, trigger group from dinzag and a archangel stock. Like you, I also like some wood on her and I like the lower factory grip. I love the archangel set-up on my Norinco sks but the buttstock for the ak is just not good. Whats a good hand grip for the .308 without modification? I am sure as hell not going to cut into the barrel. Also, will the zhukov stock hold up to the larger caliber. Thanks. I love the union!

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  34. Jack ack ack Avatar
    Jack ack ack

    Hand guard not grip, rob.

    Reply
  35. Andrew Avatar
    Andrew

    I like the way this rail looks and possibly functions, can anyone confirm if this would fit on the Arsenal SAM7SF?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      I don’t think it will work with milled receiver…try to ask them directly man.

      Reply
  36. Dylan Gonzalez Avatar
    Dylan Gonzalez

    Hi Rob,

    Do we think this rail would work with the new PSA AK-103? Thanks for all your work.

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      I have no idea. Best to ask manufacturer. But I will tell you, i never managed to secure those tension screws back then…they always found a way to become lose.

      Reply
  37. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Hi Rob,

    Will the troy industries handguard fit well on an Arsenal SLR 107?

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      It should fit, but i wouldn’t recommend doing it. I could never stop those screws from unscrewing on their own…

      Reply
  38. Darren Henry Avatar
    Darren Henry

    Hey do you think this will fit a Zastava zpap m90

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    1. Rob Ski Avatar
      Rob Ski

      No, you need Yugo specific accessories.

      Reply

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